tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post8142050942653685282..comments2023-07-01T00:33:55.165-07:00Comments on Ben Efsaneyim: The Language Of Inspiration...Ben Efsaneyimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-548689515972367232014-01-23T23:00:38.323-08:002014-01-23T23:00:38.323-08:00hey ethnicmuse
Nuance is the key, particularly wh...hey ethnicmuse<br /><br />Nuance is the key, particularly when an implicit goal is to recruit other demographics to agree with your point of view. Whatever happened to just asking people to support a cause?!<br /><br />BTW, are you Asian? Don't mean to be rude - I'm just always looking to add new unique Asian male perspectives to my blog list. Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-9971058253349847052014-01-22T10:03:20.855-08:002014-01-22T10:03:20.855-08:00Painful discussion to read Ben. It seems however, ...Painful discussion to read Ben. It seems however, that at the end of the day, East Asian feminism is about the supposed right of the female to do what they want. Guess that's why there are so many of these said feminists in the porn industry accompanied by their Eurasian sistren. Jenn did not grasp much nuance and neither does Suey Park (from that tweet). They don't seem to understand that there can be no respect for East Asian females if there is none for the East Asian male, you cannot separate the two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-21944317913068489352014-01-17T12:25:01.877-08:002014-01-17T12:25:01.877-08:00hey Indie
I want to clarify that the last two par...hey Indie<br /><br />I want to clarify that the last two paragraphs of my post are not a tirade against AF's and IR - that approach is too circular.<br /><br />The gist is that there are nuances in the Asian-American dialogue that are stifled on both sides by rigid language that serves to paste a veneer of terms onto the Asian experience that are borrowed from other movements but which seems to leave little room for humanization of the parties involved.<br />Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-55199136488547626532014-01-17T10:44:34.900-08:002014-01-17T10:44:34.900-08:00IR has gotten so bad amongst AF that it has become...IR has gotten so bad amongst AF that it has become the norm. Maybe more AA women should try to date Asian men as the next 'shock' factor trend. That can be the new IR trend for Asian women - date the kind of guy that you are most unfamiliar with haha. Im copyrighting this comment mofosindiekingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-77184327906518822492014-01-14T00:02:06.893-08:002014-01-14T00:02:06.893-08:00Yun
It's Fang?! Okay, changed it, thanks for ...Yun<br /><br />It's <i>Fang</i>?! Okay, changed it, thanks for the correction!<br /><br /><i>"but just being males grants us some advantages."</i><br /><br />Like I pointed out in the post, arguments could be made that Asian women are granted privileges and therefore advantages by their outspoken advocacy to date white men. The question is, do they first need to recognize this privilege before they can contribute to advocacy movements?<br /><br />I don't deny that being male means that my experience has some advantages, but there is a bigger picture and a more nuanced experience that goes beyond "white patriarchal privilege is conferred upon Asian men because of a shared gender". <br /><br />This is no different than when Asian feminists and activists would ask that we look past the white guy that they are dating and have a more nuanced understanding or way of engaging than merely judging their dating choices. <br /><br />Overall, I think that the language of engagement could be tweaked so that instead of feeling like I have to iron out the facts of my experience, I can be more inspired to make a more proactive contribution to the issues at hand based on my good nature. You don't recruit people to a cause by framing their experience to fit your worldview.<br /><br />Also, I don't think my post is denying that women have disadvantages, or that there are aspects of their experiences that require urgent attention from all Asian-Americans, I just don't think that the way that we as Asian men are sometimes engaged is conducive to highlighting or supporting those issues.Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-84725489418631905912014-01-13T21:10:43.164-08:002014-01-13T21:10:43.164-08:00I agree with parts of this. We are fucked by racis...I agree with parts of this. We are fucked by racists for sure, but just being males grants us some advantages.<br /><br />There are certain assumptions about our ability to work long hours, handle stress, NOT go on maternity leave, fit in a male dominated work place, etc so her charges aren't without merit (assuming, she's not blaming it on teh evul patriarchy™)<br /><br />We less likely to get attacked.<br /><br />She's also got a point about getting shit from am during discussions. <br /><br />Although, I wonder how much of it is caused by her and afs who continually defend the right to date white and tell upset Asian men that it's all in their head.<br /><br />fyi, it's Jenn Fang.<br /><br />I think the problem lies in that cultural upbringing. Baakus referred to it as displacement, which I see as the result of that head-in-the-sand culture.<br /><br />I find it impossible for an af to NOT know who is the one screwing them over unless the maxine kingston/amy tan[s] really poisoned their minds so badly.<br /><br />This goes back to the need for Asians to learn their REAL histories and the REAL history of white imperialism and most importantly, to grow a spine.Yun Xuhttp://asianmancure.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-72071318015821072552014-01-13T11:53:53.914-08:002014-01-13T11:53:53.914-08:00Hey Baakus
I honestly think that a significant pr...Hey Baakus<br /><br />I honestly think that a significant problem facing Asian-American advocacy of all kinds is a lack of an intellectual tradition. That is, a process by which ideas are put forward, and then these are ideas are challenged or updated so that our knowledge or understanding of any given issue clearly and effectively progresses.<br /><br />This lack of a tradition means that the language of advocacy may be stunted, meaning that ideas have not really been hashed out enough from a variety of angles, so that people have the exact ideas around which to form forceful language.<br /><br />What I'm saying is that I believe that Asian feminism is suffering from this lack of an intellectual process such that it is not producing original ideas and hence not producing nuanced language to express its experience. Hence, the paradoxical phenomenon of charging Asian men with benefitting from privilege imparted from the white patriarchy, when the basic building block of anti-Asian male dehumanization is the denial of a common manhood, and therefore, maleness.<br /><br />But I tend to think that this may be a general problem in Asian-American advocacy and not something specific to Asian feminism.<br />Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-31877998771092207812014-01-13T07:56:42.026-08:002014-01-13T07:56:42.026-08:00That's an excellent point about White privileg...That's an excellent point about White privilege-by-marriage. <br /><br />My main issue with Asian feminism is that it often blames Asian men for things that actually should be blamed on (mostly) White men. Take the pay gap, for example. I doubt that there are that many Asian guys that are powerful enough to set wage standards in America. After all, our stereotype is that we get stuck at the middle management level. Shouldn't the White men, who mostly populate the executive boards of corporations, be facing the brunt of this problem?<br /><br />Or as you pointed out in your post about the "Asian Girlz" video, it's interesting how commentary on White men's Yellow Fever almost always also faults Asian men.<br /><br />Is this "displacement" at work, where easy targets such as Asian men are used as scapegoats for the faults of bigger fish? Or perhaps many Asian feminists grew up in male dominated households and have projected this Asian male dominance into the greater American society?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15478413399668136356noreply@blogger.com