tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post8429846282631948845..comments2023-07-01T00:33:55.165-07:00Comments on Ben Efsaneyim: Dreaming Of A Non-White Winter OlympicsBen Efsaneyimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-45351574748579938652014-02-20T23:34:47.301-08:002014-02-20T23:34:47.301-08:00Apollyon
I think we should (and are slowly beginn...Apollyon<br /><br />I think we should (and are slowly beginning to) do our own thing as a matter of course - simply because that makes the most sense. We have so much creativity and talent within the community but it is stifled and smothered by mainstream sensibilities or prejudices. <br /><br />Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-49029376355158112942014-02-19T16:06:26.620-08:002014-02-19T16:06:26.620-08:00The bar in Itaewon was for white men and Asian wom...The bar in Itaewon was for white men and Asian women and foreign men and NO ASIAN MEN were allowed. That is the same shit as "No Dogs No CHinese" as back in the day with western imperialist shit on East Asian soil. Death to the west.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-60881123828171066292014-02-19T15:50:37.792-08:002014-02-19T15:50:37.792-08:00Better plan. Unite East Asia politically and milit...Better plan. Unite East Asia politically and militarily in mutually beneficial East Asian Union and drive off the western imperialist Americans when they try to stage WWIII and attack China and try to use SOuth Korea and Japan as cannon fodder. In fact, South Korean intelligence now says that USA is #1 enemy after tongil with North Korea. Especially with the shit that goes on in Itaewon and they even opened up a bar/restaurant that banned East Asian men and only allowed East Asian women. The bar/restaurant got torn down by a group of angry korean guys and gangstsers. But shit like this still happens there: <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LJG6kC5Pl4&feature=youtu.be<br /><br />You can see it in their TV/dramas as well, with NK being portrayed sympathetically much of the time, and the real big bad enemy being greedy/manipulative/colonial imperialist white supremacist USA. Don't ask me where I go this info from cause that is classified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-60394586252819736872014-02-17T19:06:27.800-08:002014-02-17T19:06:27.800-08:00Yeah, that is apparently the white outlook. They d...Yeah, that is apparently the white outlook. They don't consider Asians (or some POC) to be people. Thus they only celebrate white "achievements", such as Leland Stanford's railroad, nevermind who actually built it. Or they celebrate Quentin Tarantino for bringing Asian movies to the US rather than the Asians who produced, starred, or directed the movies themselves.<br /><br />There are two ways to go about this I think, either force America (and the West) to acknowledge and accept Asians as real people with all the rights, privileges etc, or go and do our own thing and forget the lot of them. Thus we would build our own entertainment, news, popular culture etc. and truth to tell, that isn't looking too bad to me. Lord knows the other option isn't happening anytime soon.Apollyonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-27956672357725803752014-02-16T23:10:25.335-08:002014-02-16T23:10:25.335-08:00Baakus
Agree that Asian competitors have almost c...Baakus<br /><br />Agree that Asian competitors have almost certainly done enough to cause a change in perceptions about Asian athletic capabilities - the fact that these stereotypes still exist is probably due to the fact that when Asian athletes do well (particularly Chinese athletes these days) allegations and insinuations of cheating often ensue.<br /><br />But even in heavy fighting, Asians have not done too badly - there are Asian judo and tae kwon do champions, karate champions, and I think that in the not too distant future, either China or Japan will begin producing top level sprinters. <br /><br />I think that exposure is a big factor as well, no-one in the west wants to write about Asian athletic successes - Lin and probably Manny are exceptions, but in general, Asian athletes (possibly because of diminished product sales appeal) are less likely to get celebrated in the same way a white or black athlete would.<br /><br />For instance when Chrşstophe Lemaitre became the first white guy to break the 10 second barrier for the 100 meters, it seemed that he always received a special mention from commentators - at least here in Europe - even though he often ran in races where half the field had also broken the same barrier.<br /><br />So there are probably also economic considerations for why it is convenient that negative stereotypes about Asians continue to exist.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-43999392499994715182014-02-16T22:44:48.098-08:002014-02-16T22:44:48.098-08:00Anonymous
"It's bizarre that Asians succ...Anonymous<br /><br /><i>"It's bizarre that Asians succeeding at Olympic events despite being "weak" in the West doesn't garner any praise from the diversity minded, and bizarre that Asians doing well at either Olympics doesn't overturn the stereotype for the racists."</i><br /><br />Exactly. The real story here is that there is an apparent "large contingent" of Asian athletes - that should truly be the race angle on these Olympics and this particular story. What is it about these particular sports that enables Asians to be so well represented?<br /><br />Like I said it could be the dearth of black interest that is creating the space for Asian athletes, and your suggestion that the winter sports are just no "sexy" could be another reason.<br /><br />Either way, it speaks volumes that diversity when Asians are concerned is not a cause for celebration in its own right. Ben Efsaneyimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001682865274251483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-17663236473458191972014-02-15T13:13:14.091-08:002014-02-15T13:13:14.091-08:00Yes, it's strange how sometimes, Asians are so...Yes, it's strange how sometimes, Asians are so foreign that we don't even register as part of America. Yet at other times, we're so familiar that we don't even count as diversity when we're present.<br /><br />But as for the perception of the lack of Asian athleticism, I think it's more nuanced than that. Asian countries such as China, Korea, and Japan have been doing well in the Olympics and Winter Olympics long enough that they're a familiar presence in the top 10 medal tables. For example, Korea absolutely killed it in London. And the U.S. is frequently fretting over the day when China will regularly top them in both gold AND total medals.<br /><br />By now, I think the stereotype is that while Asians are athletic, they're not genetically suited for the most physically demanding of sports: sprinting, rugby, heavyweight fighting, etc. That's why America was so shocked by the rise of Jeremy Lin. Had he been an excellent gymnast or tennis player, they wouldn't have blinked an eye. But an Asian guy who can drive, slash, and cross people over? What in the world?!<br /><br />Asians doing well in the Winter Olympics wouldn't surprise too many, unless there was an Asian men's hockey team that could outhit the Canadians and outskate the Russians. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15478413399668136356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8566317761793185393.post-46911625644785720782014-02-15T05:35:54.799-08:002014-02-15T05:35:54.799-08:00Sounds like white people just get weird when somet...Sounds like white people just get weird when something can be called "white" or a "white sport". Do people really care about many of these Winter Olympic sports and events? I suspect that countries that don't get snow and are less able to afford the large costs involved in Winter Olympic events don't really care about the Winter Olympics and that's fine. If they really want to do something then figure out how to lower costs and change weather patterns. It's not like with Asian Americans being underrepresented from massively popular sports like basketball and football which Asians do care about so it becomes a problem. Winter Olympic events just aren't big enough for some people to go out of their ways for. South and South East Asians aren't that visible either but no one seems to care.<br /><br />You might as well link bigWOWO's article on liberals being bad for Asian men for the other issue. We just don't fit the narrative and don't count for diversity. It's bizarre that Asians succeeding at Olympic events despite being "weak" in the West doesn't garner any praise from the diversity minded, and bizarre that Asians doing well at either Olympics doesn't overturn the stereotype for the racists. It's as though non-whites doing well is a zero-sum game where Asians aren't allowed to be strong as long as they succeed financially, and Blacks are allowed to dominate sports as long as they make less than whites while whites get to be both.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com